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Post by coronabus on Sept 25, 2006 11:18:19 GMT -5
I'm ready to begin assembling a SA tranny and bring the ol girl down a ways. I guess a two parter, am I forgetting anything? and is this an ok project for a relatively noob a/c guy?
Here's what I've got:
- 74 bus tranny
- Bus Boys Swing Axle kit
- T3 Axles
- T1 drums
Thanks,
Paul
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Post by commercialair on Sept 25, 2006 12:25:36 GMT -5
I'm certainly not going to be able to answer your questions on this Paul. I know Keith is the one with all the answers about straight axles. However, your list brings up a question. A '74 bus transaxle is IRS. Do you mean a '64 trans, or am I missing something here?? Keep us all informed how it goes. Pictures would be excellent!
Chris
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Post by coronabus on Sept 25, 2006 13:38:42 GMT -5
Yup, the trany I have is out of a 74, does this mean the kit will not work?
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Post by commercialair on Sept 25, 2006 13:52:15 GMT -5
Like I said....I know nothing about this. I don't want to screw anything up for you. I just always assumed that a straight axle kit needs a straight axle transmission. Or, are you doing an IRS conversion??? PM RiffRaff about this. He knows best.
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Post by riffraff on Sept 25, 2006 21:17:15 GMT -5
I doubt the 74 IRS will work. i think that the early IRS centre sections can be made into a SA if they have two side plates. By 74, I think the bays were using Type 4 engine and moustache bar and no frame horns.
I think you will need a swing axle trans. try to get a Type 3 if you can, but a later Type 1 will work fine.
You also need the lengthened axle tubes and short bearing caps.
Are these included in the Bus Boys kit?
Likely all you need is the trans centre section.
A realative newb can do this as long as you are no stranger to the business end of a wrench.
Where are you located?
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Post by commercialair on Sept 25, 2006 22:54:50 GMT -5
Keith L. meet Paul V. You were parked next to eachother at Das Volks.........LOL! |
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Post by riffraff on Sept 25, 2006 23:08:06 GMT -5
Duh!, I was expecting a DubDemon. I should have guessed by the moniker
Paul, I don't think that was from a bus. The "74 is a swing axle trans right? not IRS?
Are you going to run Type 1 4 lug brakes?
It's not that tough, do you have the springplates and spindles?
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Post by coronabus on Sept 26, 2006 11:53:26 GMT -5
;D Ah Keith. I realize the moniker is new, but...If it weren't for Rico and several liters of a well known Mexican beer, my bus would just be a back yard ornament.
This tranny I got from Shan, he never mentioned if it was an IRS or not. I assumed it is a SA because that was my inquiry. It has the 4 bolt drums, which interm I intend not to use.
The kit came with are the special-length axle tubes, NEW gold-anodized spring plates, transaxle gasket set, rear axle seal kits, brake cable extension tubes. Id really like to use this tranny gearing will be great!
Chris, my plan was to do a SA conversion on a T1 or T3 tranny, gain some highway gearing and lower it, get rid of my stock RGB tranny. In my search for a T1-T3 tranny, I came across this 74 (cost me nothing). How can I determine if it will work with the kit?
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Post by angus on Sept 26, 2006 15:52:59 GMT -5
Ok, that is not a bus tranny from what I recall of Shan's post, so that one will work. You may want to consider getting another nose cone from Ken so that you can leave your RGB trans intact. The hockey stick from the Beetle trans should work. Check to see if it has dimples top and bottom. If so, it will work.
Spray some Liquid wrench on your linkage grub screws, they are likely rusted into place badly, count on having to drill them out and replace .
It sounds like you have everything you need to get this together. What brakes are you going to use? The Beetle wide 5 drums will probably have too short a snout. I don't have any experience except for the Type 3 rear brakes.
Anyhow
Step 1 - Remove engine
Step 2 - Drain oil from and Remove transaxle
Step 3 - Remove nose cone and hockey stick from bus transaxle (and brakes if you are going to use them)
Step 4 - drain oil from beetle transaxle and remove axle nut and drums and pull the wheel bearing caps, wheel bearings and spacers
Step 5 - undo the six or so nuts that hold the axle tube to the centre section and slide the axle tubes off the axles
Step 6 - Take your custom ground set of large needle nose pliers and release the snap ring that holds the retaining washer at the inside end of the axles inside the centre section. Pull out snap ring and retaining washer and axle.
Step 7 - Check fulcrum plates for wear.
Step 8 - Effectively, put everything back together in the reverse order using your long tubes and Type 3 axles. Use new gaskets. You may have to use a thick grease to keep the fulcrum plates in place while you set the axles in them. Be sure to use new SKF or FAG wheel bearings and the short bearing caps.
Step 8 - Install bus nosecone and hockey stick onto Beetle trans.
Use new gasket and grease the hockey stick.
Bolt on brake components (not the drums yet) and it should be ready for install.
How does that sound so far?
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Post by coronabus on Sept 27, 2006 9:20:08 GMT -5
Breaking it all down, doesn't make it sound all that complicated. Thx! Took some pics last night... Here's the said tranny   Oh and here is what I've been working on all summer   (It's about time!!!) Anyhow, I'm gonna slowly start working on this tranny, and if I run into any snags, I hope I can call upon Angus and Keith to come bail me out. I have a new member of the family Angus might like to meet, he may even share a Scooby Snack with ya! |
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Post by commercialair on Sept 27, 2006 9:28:30 GMT -5
Nice garage Paul! Another Karma point for you for being the first to post pics of a project!! Keep them coming.
Chris
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Post by riffraff on Sept 27, 2006 9:29:51 GMT -5
That is a swing axle trans and it will work just fine for you.
Give me a shout when you have the transaxle dropped out of the bus and Angus and I can come over and give you a hand with the assembling of the new trans. It is not difficult, but as with anything, it can be a little intimidating the first time through.
Very nice action on the bus house too!
Why is sharing it's room with a water cooled?
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Post by coronabus on Sept 27, 2006 9:33:56 GMT -5
Thx Keith and thx Chris! Well the ol' Passat is for sale...so there will be room for a new project, hopefully of the a/c variety.  |
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Post by Shan Simpson on Sept 29, 2006 12:02:43 GMT -5
well that answers my question from another post about how that trans is doing.. any way i pulled that from my old 73 standard bug and is 100% swing axle with the gearing you would be looking for.
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Post by coronabus on Oct 2, 2006 14:00:33 GMT -5
Hey Shan and thanks again for the tranny! You're more than welcome to come over and help me assemble it.  I'd like to be the first to karmanize you, for hooking me up like you did. |
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