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Post by wagendragon on Jan 21, 2007 21:58:32 GMT -5
Alright everyone here's a new one for me, tried to pull the engine out of Mater today well that was a surprise, damn things stuck in there. Yes, I checked all appropriate bolts are out, heater tubes are free, starter out(not getting hung on that). Put him in third roacked him back and forth. *$&$ engine will not come out. It's loose I can shake it, will not move towards backat all. I'm thinking that the splines between engine and Trans shaft are rusted together, sitting for thirty yrs and all. Any thoughts? Pull trans axle too? Then what? Jeri
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Post by Milkman on Jan 21, 2007 22:16:24 GMT -5
If you plan on replacing the clutch anyway, just spray as much penatrating oil into the bell housing as you can. Try to hit the input shaft if you can, aim for center. The penatrating oil should "wick" its way to the spines hopefully. Keep trying & good luck!
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Post by riffraff on Jan 22, 2007 12:59:21 GMT -5
Not to be condescending here. Here's my checklist Throttle cable unhooked from the carb and through the shroud? Sometimes it hangs up in the return spring thingy in the shroud. Choke cable free Heater box cables are free? All the wiring is loose and off to one side? The fuel line is pulled off and plugged? Of course, all four engine mount bolts free. Are you pulling it out straight enough? That's all I can think of, I have never had one try to stay in, they usually want to jump right out at me! The bell housing is usually protected very well from corrosion, but you may want to have someone push the clutch in while you are wiggling at the back to help out a bit.
Let us know what you find out.
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Post by Milkman on Jan 22, 2007 13:03:36 GMT -5
I was thinking more along the lines of input shaft splines rusted into the clutch disc or pilot bearing. The bell housing may be more or less sealed from the world, but I have seen rusted clutches/input shafts due to 30 years of condensation. But I do agree with going over everything twice to make sure nothing was overlooked.
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Post by rareair on Jan 22, 2007 13:25:08 GMT -5
It is possible that the two lower engine mounting studs that go through your bellhousing are slightly bent (possibly from a PO) and causing it to bind part way when removing.
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Post by wagendragon on Jan 22, 2007 21:47:39 GMT -5
Well RiffRaff, without being condescended upon ( ), Yup went over your checklist, strangely similar to my own checklist. yes every thing is very un-connected. Top engine bolts out, starter off, bottom engine bolts free(Rareair , cables, heater tubes, throttle, wires, (no choke), ductape, bubble gum and something unidentifiable... all off. The engine will move in every direction except backwards. Looked at end of starter that lives in bell housing and it has rust on it, am thinking that the whole housing has been leaking some. Thinking along lines as Milkman. Was in the shop today and spoke with Ken, no less puzzled. Jeri
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Post by bullyboy on Jan 22, 2007 22:18:05 GMT -5
I had the very same problem with the engine/tranny in my 61' beetle. We actually wrapped a chain around the engine and jerked it around with the front end loader and it still would not come off. We succeded in trashing a very nice 40 horse shroud, gen stand, and carb. I ended up having to take the body off the pan to get the engine/tranny out. It is still together sitting in a field. I hope you get further than we did.
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Post by wagendragon on Jan 23, 2007 0:59:07 GMT -5
Wow that's reassuring!
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Post by commercialair on Jan 23, 2007 9:16:45 GMT -5
I think penetrating oil and a few good wacks on the pulley nut may help. (way to drag a perfectly civil conversation into the gutter Chris)
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Post by Milkman on Jan 23, 2007 14:11:36 GMT -5
oil and a few good wacks may help. Not in public though! But jokes aside, that should probably do the trick.
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Post by wagendragon on Jan 23, 2007 21:35:56 GMT -5
rrrrrriiiiiiiiight!
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Post by hotvw1 on Jan 24, 2007 13:07:31 GMT -5
I have had the odd stuck engine and I found sometimes when pulling the engine to put the bus in gear and actually moving the bus while pulling the engine. Don't have to move it far. It will move when unblocked and when you are pulling the engine. A trolly jack with the wheels to hold up the engine works best as it can move with the bus. Hope it helps.
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Post by riffraff on Jan 24, 2007 14:40:57 GMT -5
It does sound like the driven plate is corrosion bonded to the input shaft. Bummer I have not had a chance to check this, but is it possible to get at the bolts that hold the clutch plate to the flywheel through the starter motor hole? If so, you may be able to rotate the engine and undo one bolt at a time and then be able to pull the engine and leave the clutch assembly in the bell housing. With the engine out, it would be a jag easier to work on the corrosion bond.
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Post by wagendragon on Jan 24, 2007 19:52:54 GMT -5
"I have had the odd stuck engine and I found sometimes when pulling the engine to put the bus in gear and actually moving the bus while pulling the engine. Don't have to move it far. It will move when unblocked and when you are pulling the engine. A trolly jack with the wheels to hold up the engine works best as it can move with the bus. Hope it helps." Hotvw1, I love the way you think cause I was doing just that, verbatum. I was pulling that bus back and forth in my shop, I've got bruised knees from having them wedged under the muffler. I'm pretty sure my neighbors accross the alley learned some new expletives. "ex·ple·tive (ěk'splĭ-tĭv) Pronunciation Key n. 1. An exclamation or oath, especially one that is profane, vulgar, or obscene." Sorry bout that! Riffraff, I'm thinking of pulling the whole thing, and I'll try your route. Thanks for the advice! Jeri
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Post by Milkman on Feb 9, 2007 19:02:17 GMT -5
Did you ever get that engine out?
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